"I would support a definition of 'working' which included encouraging capital to be used not for just anything, but for things that are healthy for the planet, the people, and the markets themselves. There needs to be some responsibility to the world at large in the use of capital not just to its owner."

"One of the State's jobs is to ensure capital is employed at the service of the people. It is because the State seems to have rolled over and neglected this responsibility completely that caused us to be in this mess."

Wow.

The reason lovers of liberty lose hope at times is the realization that a substantial number of people, like "Anonymous," desperately want the State to use its force to impose their vision of "the greater good" on all of us. In this world view, the needs and desires of the individual are subordinate to the amorphous beast that is given the name of "the people" but really serves the nonproductive few who confiscate the production of individuals at gunpoint. Create a pretty flag and wave it, and many will flock around this "greater good."

This world view assumes that the average person, left free of the state's thuggish benevolence, will waste and spoil resources and do harm to his property, his neighbors and the planet itself. That is not my experience.

"Anonymous" and most of the regular commenters here will talk past each other because their basic premises are worlds apart.