Look, Thomas: a value chosen in the last extremity is *still* a value.

I told you in e-mail a couple of weeks ago that you're not accounting for the nature of values. You went out like a light, just like you did when I pointed out that your notion (which is all it is: it's not an actual concept) of "cooperative socialism" would describe my uncles' plumbing business. You don't know what you're talking about, and you're helping do great harm to concepts necessary to understanding what's wrong in the world. What all this tells me is that you are not -- at the moment -- approachable with reason. Facts don't matter to you: "you just turn your pretty head and walk away" (in the immortal words of The James Gang). Now, that's one thing, bad as it is, but another thing is that it's important to make the point to people looking-in, that you don't know what you're talking about.