Relationships and Freedom: Can They Coexist Happily?

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Maybe I was one of the smartest kids around, back in the day: at a fairly young age, I vowed never to marry, because I realized there was no way to be sure that my husband and I would change in congruent ways as we aged—thus, I concluded, making promises that were binding “until death do us part” was not a wise move.

Then I must have turned into one of the dumbest teenagers around, because with my first experience of something approaching adult love, I repudiated my childhood vow, and worse: I ignored signs of deep-seated differences, and made those “until death” promises.

Don’t know which end of the intelligence spectrum I’m closer to these days, but I learned a lot from that relationship, and I have been much more observant and careful in subsequent voluntary relationships.

Back to that marriage for a couple more minutes, though, for some important context: while we were still dating, he made a future-oriented promise to me that centered on a very important personal goal I had. It was an extremely generous promise, and one I never would have asked for—in large part because it was complex and nearly impossible to guarantee. I didn’t hold him to the literal promise; but I did expect he would at least try to honor it.

He didn’t.

My disappointment at his unwillingness to even try to honor the promise was deep. The revelation that he had no intention of trying came just after I’d read The Fountainhead, which was my first explicit exposure to individualism and the freedom philosophy. Because of that book, for the first time in my marriage, I contemplated which was more important to me—the relationship or the goal. I chose the marriage at that time, but for the remainder of its duration, I was very mindful of performing that calculus. And I continued to do so at intervals, particularly after important events. Ultimately the result of the calculus shifted: I understood that if I were to keep my wedding vows, certain things, vitally important to me, would have to die. And I wasn’t willing to perform those murders.

Some might blame my shift to an explicit evaluation of the pros and cons of staying in the marriage for ultimately bringing about its end; but I think to do so is akin to shooting a messenger bearing bad news. The negative signals were there prior to my shift; I’d simply chosen to be blind to them, as much as I could be. Once my eyes had been opened, I found myself deliberating over many more choices—in many cases, choices I hadn’t previously acknowledged were open to me. Rather than feeling overwhelmed by this new-to-me superabundance of choices, I felt liberated. I didn’t “have to” do certain things, or refrain from other things; I was choosing to do them, or not, and with the awareness of choice came a lot of thinking about the elements that had gone into making my choices. It will probably come as no surprise that as I changed my choices to come more into line with what I wanted to do—rather than what was expected of me or what had become habit—I was told I was being selfish. Having read more Rand by this point, my typical response was something like a warm, “Thank you!”, which invariably befuddled my accusers. While not agreeing completely with her published ideas on human psychology (or human nature, if you prefer), I continue to find much value in her defining selfishness as “rational self-interest”.

Grokking that doesn’t mean that making certain choices becomes easier, though. For me, trying to maintain some balance between individual goals and valued relationships is especially difficult. Despite having written an essay [Wow, nearly three years ago!] on personal power and relationships, I can’t claim any sort of expertise on the subject, either in theory or practice. Putting my personal interests aside while the snolfs were infants and required a good deal of my energy was very difficult for me, despite knowing it was necessary, and despite wanting to be a good parent. And I still engage that “relationship calculus” from time to time. MAL and I, like any two individuals, aren’t in complete agreement on every issue and goal; and I’d much rather face potential serious issues before they become make-or-break items.

As I wrote in that essay, being in any kind of relationship necessarily means giving another person some degree of power over one—less so in casual friendships, and much more in intimate, loving relationships. It seems to me that knowing that helps a person evaluate the types and scope of power given to another; and that in turn helps ensure that power—that trust—isn’t misplaced. It may appear to others to be selfish to be so cognizant of relationship dynamics; but given the stakes—especially in intimate and parenting relationships—it seems astonishing that a person would not want that kind of awareness. Down such blind paths lie myriad dangers. Love can be painful enough without inviting the Marquis de Sade in to romp.

All this might seem very far afield from the question I asked in the title of this ramble: can a relationship and freedom happily coexist? I see that question as one of the more challenging onions to peel. On the surface, a quick “Yes!” response scores a direct hit; but it shows nothing of the effort required to craft such a relationship—to say nothing of trying to maintain it over the years. One always has the choice of being mindful or not of the work, honesty, and integrity that are essential to building and maintaining healthy, vibrant, freedom-enhancing relationships (along with many other choices). To my mind, honest selfishness, and monitoring a relationship’s value, are essential to keeping individuals, and their relationships, on a path that enables eudaimonia. It is no guarantee, however—because there are no guarantees in such endeavors. Individuals change, goals change, relationships change ... sometimes in ways that don’t make it possible for positive interactions to continue. For me, it’s preferable to identify that state, if it comes, sooner rather than later.

wow

are you certain that you don't have a direct line into my psyche? now 250 pages into atlas shrugged - where Dagny and Hank just rode into Colorado over the Rearden metal bridge. balancing chaos and order comes into every sphere of existence and the positive selfishism can easily be taken by the free riders as an invitation to hitch on board. but to not empower the system and to bow out gracefully depends on there being a Galt's Gulch somewhere.

i also have noticed that our bloggosphere seems to be commenting on the same things from different perspectives, showing an increased symmetry in the thoughts of us individualists. Vache Folle and i each cued off Jomama before we surfed to find other opinion. There are certain folks who's blogs i read every so often and enjoy - but don't wish to understand in that much depth to place the time into it to really know what is going on. But do we know what is going on, ever? In a given situation? i sometimes reflect back on the decisions that i made or didn't make based on the dynamics of relationships and the things that are important at the time. Hindsight really is not 20/20, because the facts change after that were rationed out for the action. It's why perspective at different scales is very necessary.

pinning down a schedule while attempting to deal with the chaos of a relationship and the chaos of good work at the cutting edge of your thought means a whole lot of freedom is required, to be where the need for you be. Reading those personal relationships and developing the trust over time is so crucial to the support network of effectiveness - but personal comfort and chaos are hard coexisters - especially at the comfort level of the duo in the personal relationship. and each snolf adds a different relationship alltogether. complex energy levels of activity require a shiftable energy state - one where the mirror at level a is unrelated to the complex issue on sublevel f that has your attention.

the muddle in the middle - the miasma of lemmings - is a cacophany of competing self-interests, with the assurance that only the capitalist system can provide. self-actuation is a commitment to remain there activated - because it took too much time and effort to get to that stage of understanding to not get to do more. But sustaining higher energy levels requires the support systems working. sometimes i wish i had never discovered maslow's hierarchy of needs because they are so personally limiting. but that's the penalty of knowledge of the current working paradigm - the inability to see past it.

but to step outside is to not be defending your interest inside. and when those you trust let it go - well isn't that the Plame case in a nutshell. i'll be interested in what they present in the movie - i love the fictions that hollywood creates that become fact in the mind of the sheeple. anything possible can happen, and does - but we create our own reality with our perception. I struggle, wondering whether the tap on the shoulder is friend or foe - because nobody is on anybody's side but their own, it's no way to run an empire. how grounded does a fact have to be to be a fact?

so to answer - at time i have been happy, at times i have been productive, at times i have been channel focused. the relationship is on the ground level and when it doesn't work right, it creates the chaos necessary to get you the energy you need to get further away from your center to the cutting edge of your work - but at the cost of that relationship, especially if you cannot fulfill the role expected. The original activation energy based on intent, meanspirit or innocuous, doesn't matter; you cannot sustain chaotic energy levels over significant time spans without eventually returning back to ground; hopefully graduated on a median grade slope rather than all at once or not at all.

to thine own self be true. or ashes to ashes, dust to dust.

Thanks, Dr. Lenny.

“Nobody is on anybody’s side but their own”—very well put. I hope to help my children understand that long before I did.

I appreciate your energy level ideas, too.

Thanks For This

I appreciated the thoughts you expressed in this post.

Story - when I was younger, and had been married for about six months (I think I had just turned 23), my wife at the time, out of the blue asked me, "Will you promise to never 'cheat' on me?"

Cheating of course, meant having sex with someone else.

I didn't answer immediately. I wanted to be absolutely honest and at the same time, the question motivated me to think about as many different scenarios that could ever possibly come up in the future. When the question was asked, at that time - I had testosterone running out of my baby finger, let alone coursing through the blood stream.

I also had become acquainted with someone who's wife had been incapacitated in an accident, and of course, he was quite a hero to some for his dedication to his wife.

I had serious doubts about myself - at that time, with all this testosterone - and as I thought about the question that I had just been asked, I wondered if some circumstance were to occur where my wife would become incapacitated, if I would turn down any and all temptations involving sex with a woman not my wife.

And it simply hit me at that moment. I didn't know if I would, or if I could.

On the one hand, I thought it would be "nice" to be held is such high esteem, as a man that never ever ever "cheated" on his wife, regardless of the circumstances and was so dedicated to her, he gave up much of his own life.

But then this other part of me thought, "huh? If she was in a coma... she wouldn't even know!"

Sometimes, I think that question, six months after I was married, at the age of 23, was a prime motivator for me to examine myself, and the fact that this was my life, and what my values were.

Incidentally, I ended up answering the question honestly: "I don't know."

And that was possibly the start of in some ways, what became at times a very tumultous marriage relationship.

But it WAS the most honest answer to a very direct question.

I had no idea what the future was going to hold, or how things would turn out - how could I answer such a question with a promise I didn't know if I could keep?

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This business about "relationships needing work" is something I reject as well. That is another "proverb" I can recall being taught, years ago, but it seemed to me that oftentimes, it was an excuse to come up with "tests" and other silly things in relationships. A relationship either works most of the time, or it does not. Sometimes, it really is time to say, "You know what? I like you a lot - but this is not doing anything positive for me at all."

And that is NOT to say that the relationship cannot be continued, but simply manifested in a different way.

Today, folk ask me, "Are you in a relationship with anyone?"

My response is: "Darn right - a couple thousand of the them, actually."

Each one of those relationships provides me with something I value. I guess I provide something of value in return. And at different times, and under different circumstances, they might have differing degrees of value.

I mean, my 4 year old son comes to mind - I don't love him MORE than I love my other three sons - but there are times when the circumstances would dictate he gets some of my time before anyone of the other three would.

And vice versa.

If I ever were to become involved in a so-called "traditional" relationship again, I'd hope that whoever it was with wouldn't expect me to give up different parts of my life for her... and of course, that would work with me as well. Been there, done that sort of thing.. and it's stupid, idiotic, and insane.

There ARE times when clients of mine will get more of my time than my four year old son will - because reality dictates that - and ... I also enjoy those relationships too.

I've read some "values oriented" people who talk about thinking about who you'd cross a beam for - and I suppose that is an interesting thing to think about - but when it comes down to it - there are a number of people in my life that I might give my life for - but to choose one single one over others - I just can't do that, and I never will do that, and I'll never promise that to anyone. Ever.

And anyone who ever asks me to do so - I'm going to be running away real quickly from.

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Ah, "cheating" ...

My ex wasn’t overly focused on sexual cheating, but he grew very jealous of my relationships with other men (or he’d always been jealous and had just hidden it)—even the relatively shallow, and often short-lived relationships with students! I doubt that he thought of it this way, but toward the end of the marriage it occurred to me that he was acting as if I was cheating on him. And perhaps, in some relationships, I was—albeit in an intellectual, and sometimes emotional, form, rather than a sexual one. However, that perspective is relevant only if one assumes that there’s one “primary” relationship that no other relationship should surpass in any area ... and as you said, that’s not a particularly healthy view of relationships.

Relationships do require some level of ongoing investment to remain healthy, but for me, that isn’t work – it’s fun. There might be rare instances where one needs to “work on” a relationship much like a mechanic works on a car, but usually, in a healthy relationship issues are addressed before they require going to that meta level. I do have some stereotypically female ways of being on this subject, but I don’t recall ever viewing getting presents or talking about possible futurescapes as “working on the relationship”—those are a couple of the many possible things people who care for and about each other at a deep level might do to express and further that caring. A relationship isn’t an entity distinct from the individuals who comprise it.

Relationships and Freedom

This is the pivotal sentence: "My disappointment at his unwillingness to even try to honor the promise was deep."

We all disappoint each other. The truth is that our deepest pain stems from disappointing ourselves - our own unwillingness to even try to honor the promises we make to ourselves.

The problem does not lie outside ourselves. Neither does the solution. Being true to oneself doesn't mean rejecting someone else. It means being completely responsible for our own happiness every moment. There is no blame, only awareness and willingness.

Disappointment ...

Hi, and welcome!

I agree with your statement that our deepest pain originates in disappointing ourselves. Without getting into the details of the story I related, the promise he made was of a scope that required both of us to work toward it—I was doing so, and it was in the course of that preparation that he revealed his unwillingness to do so. We were both pretty young, and I hadn’t yet grokked a lot of things that barely require conscious thought of me today. (That isn’t excuse-making, but rather, just informing.)

Disappointment

"I changed my choices to come more into line with what I wanted to do—rather than what was expected of me or what had become habit." Doesn't he get the same option?

"I ignored signs of deep-seated differences." Who is responsible for your subsequent unhappiness - him or you?

Oversimplification?

Of course I am responsible for the subsequent unhappiness I experienced in that relationship; I knew it back then to some degree, and now that I understand it more thoroughly, that knowledge has never left me. And again, yes, others always have the option to make changes in their lives, too.

More to the point of this ramble, though, is dealing with the dance individuals engage in when in a relationship. While each person remains responsible for the emotions felt and actions chosen, it is also accurate to say that one’s beloved can exert a good deal of influence over them. There are also joint goals that are pursued, as well as individual ones that may or may not mesh very well. It’s those interstitial areas that can be challenging; and that’s what I am interested in trying to tease out. It seems to me that to be in a long-term partner relationship, one does necessarily cede some freedom in order to maintain the relationship at some healthy, valued level. In a good relationship, that’s undertaken voluntarily; but I think that in many relationships, some of it happens without one being consciously aware of it happening; and that’s where a lot of difficulties can take seed.

If you think I’m wrong in characterizing relationship dynamics in this way, I am most interested in learning your thoughts on the subject, either here or in a more formal, public venue.

Was my ex wrong for changing his mind about honoring that promise? I don’t think so. Could he have communicated that change to me in a better way than he did? Absolutely; and I think he would agree with me on that. What I thought was a joint goal had shifted back to being my goal, which was highly discordant with his new individual goal. It was a very challenging period for us both.

Oversimplification?

I disagree with your premise that to maintain a partner relationship some freedom must be ceded. A couple of examples:

I could sleep with someone other than my spouse. I'm not usually interested in doing so. The moments when the idea does sound appealing, I tell myself, "Its not what you think it will be. It won't make you happy." So I don't. All my choices are based on my best interest and what I know will make me happy with myself.

I am also free to get a tattoo on my arm or do lots of other things that are not really going to make me happy in the long run. Not doing so does not lessen my freedom, and promising never to get a tattoo in the future doesn't either because I know in the long run I wouldn't be happy if I did.

If my spouse were to sustain a head injury and become basically a vegetable, I'd take care of him as best I could because we're friends and I wouldn't be happy with myself if I didn't. He'd still deserve to be cared about even though it would be one-sided. But I'd probably look for a romantic liaison somewhere else without feeling any guilt at all. He reports to me the same thought. If I were a vegetable and not cognizant of the fact that he is sleeping with someone else, it's cool with me. I'd want him to be happy. I'd also be glad he would care for me.

After I had our babies, our sex life was not existent for months. Hubby likes sex a lot, so I asked him why he did not sleep with someone else during that time (other than exhaustion.) "I don't view sex as a separate part of our relationship" and "I wouldn't have liked myself." Bingo.

For one of us to sleep with someone else under otherwise normal circumstances would not be a breach of a vow, but an indicator that there was some serious problem not being addressed.

I agree that it can be a dangerous practice to make promises about how we'll feel in the future. It's easy to make promises and hard to resist playing "hero" to someone you are in love with. When you make a promise, there's some psychological pressure to be untrue to oneself should thngs change, but I don't think that that can be construed as a loss of freedom. It' still your choice whether or not to be true to yourself. I'm saying that your ex probably felt the same pressure, but chose to be true to himself. Guys do not notoriously deliver news diplomatically, that's for sure. Especially not bad news.

I had a mentor once who, when we entered a working relationship, said to me, "I will disappoint you." It instantly took a lot of pressure off of our relationship and I've since made a practice of using it in other relationships, especially with my children. (Expectations are resentments waiting to happen.) I also knew instantly that I would disappoint my mentor sooner or later, and that it would be ok. It's ok to disappoint each other, it happens all the time. It doesn't bring bad things into a relationship to say "I will disappoint you," it just relieves the pressure. There's too much pressure in life already.

I try always to be true to myself, to my heart, and there will always be people who don't like that. They are always free to make choices regarding their interaction with me and what I've chosen, too. I want the people in my life (including and especially my children) to be true to themselves even when it is inconvenient for me. It doesn't make me less free.

I keep at this topic because it sounds like you're angry and it sounds like it's someone else's fault. You said he could have communicated his changed mind better. Aren't there times when you could have communicated better with him? How would you have told him if you had been the one to change your mind about a big promise?

When we're afraid of the other person getting angry about something, its not easy to bring up that subject. In fact, its the rare person who will. It takes a lot of courage to do so. Who's actually going to say, "uh, that promise I made to you about our life together, I changed my mind..." What would be a good way to deliver that kind of message? Is it really the delivery that is the problem or is it the message? I'm asking rhetorically. All my questions are rhetorical. You're the one who can benefit from the answers. I don't really want the answers. What I want is relationships with people who are completely responsible.

Most people will not tolerate this line of inquiry. I love freedom, I'm drawn to other people who really want to be free too. I'm only free today because I have courageous people in my life who are willing to question me about what my feelings are really about and risk pissing me off. When I question myself and answer truthfully, then I am free.

Have you asked yourself, "is there something I have done to cause him to change his mind about wanting to keep the promise he made to me?" I would never expect my husband to remain sexually faithful to me if there were some kind of breakdown in our intimacy simply because he made a long ago promise.

My whole point is that we are completely responsible for our experience. Left unexamined, we'll repeat the mistakes over and over again until we get the lesson life holds. I've heard from many divorced people who went on to repeat the same mistakes, say that if they'd known then what they know now, they would have stayed in their first marriage with their children.

This doesn't sound like an experience you'd want to repeat. Our happiness cannot depend on someone else's promises, delivery, or choices.

Keep keeping at it, please

Thank you for doing so; this is enormously helpful to me. I’ll respond to just a few of your observations and points.

I am no longer angry about that episode, and I realize that my disappointment and anger back then were my doing, not his. That episode was probably the beginning of my deep understanding that I am responsible for my happiness, and realizing that everyone who cares about me will disappoint me at some point. My subsequent relationships have each been better than the previous one(s), in part because I do examine them and try to learn as much as I can from each of them – both positive and negative.

Last point for now: I think you’re right about freedom and relationships; and I think I knew that, but just persisted some older, sloppy thinking.