Spotless Minds on the Way?

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Writer-psychologist friend Shaun alerted me to an interesting news story: Erasing the Pain of the Past: Scientists Are Developing Drugs That Could Eliminate Traumatic Events From Our Memories. A brief quote from the three-page article:

Much about why painful memories come back to haunt soldiers and those who live through other traumatic experiences remains unknown. Scientists say that is because little is known about how the brain stores and recalls memories.

But in their early efforts to understand the way in which short-term memories become long-term memories, researchers have discovered that certain drugs can interrupt that process. Those same drugs, they believe, can also be applied not just in the immediate aftermath of a traumatic event – like a mortar attack, rape or car accident – but years later, when an individual is still haunted by memories of event.

The hope is that a post-traumatic stress disorder patient can work with a psychiatrist and focus a traumatic event, take one of these drugs and then slowly forget that event. With that hope, however, comes a series of ethical concerns. What makes up our personalities – the essence of who we are as individuals – if not the collected memories of our experiences?



Multiple cans of worms opening up here. I found the timing interesting, as I’ve been wanting to see Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind again; I commented on that movie some time ago. I certainly understand the strong desire to help a hurting individual deal with an awful event, but I do not see how erasure might accomplish that. Others won’t necessarily forget the incident; and it will almost certainly come up, again and again over the person’s life. And how can one learn and grow from that which has been banished? One can’t.

Lots more I could say, but no time today.

Pain makes us who we are

I am reminded of a line from Star Trek V where Kirk says
"I like my pain. I need my pain! Pain is something thats makes us who we are!"

Selective Memory

Boy - talk about inaugurating a paradigm change - let's just erase some of those old facts you used to know and replace them with some of our newly created wholesome facts. Perpetual war for perpetual peace taken one step further. No thanks - i'll limit my 'drug' use to natural herbs and pass on the pharma medicants. - oh - sorry, not allowed. do i at least get my choice of the red pill or the blue pill? Or even the little purple pill.

I sometimes think the animal kingdom looks at us and laughs at the trouble we go through for something as easy as living. I'm certain that my dogs wonder how this silly box and screen can be more entertaining than they are. i lavish the concept of a life without bills - where you get provided food and attention and get to sleep otherwise. A dog's life, eh?

Selective memory

Hi Dr. Lenny,

I could not agree more. It's my dystopian novel 'Mallcity 14' coming to 'life', where everyday is today and there is no past...

How about using drugs to intefere with the memories of political
agitators? Or persons who invent inconvenient things that could give individuals freedom from utilities and oil suppliers? Yep, much too scary, so please take a pill whether you want to or not. In time, though, for many, it's just easy to take the pill and keep forgetting. Everyday is today.

Mallcity 14

Hi Shaun -
I like distopian novels - both Snowcrash and Altered Carbon have been on my recent read list. The poetry that my alter ego lemme writes would make for good ramblings of a heinlein jovan type - we might as well choose our heroes from novels, if the world setting is going to be close to what the sci fi writers have created. does mallcity14 play like groundhog's day with bill murray?
will the author sign a copy for me?

Mallcity 14

Hi Dr Lenny,

Probably a good way to find out what Mallcity 14 is about would be to read Sunni's review on it (she was actually one of the first to do so, and it was before I 'knew' her).

Also, there are some reviews on Amazon, and at trafford also.

I'm not sure how to sign a copy for you (I'm in Australia, and have no review copies left), but if you get in touch with Sunni - who has my email address - a Mallcity postcard might be in order (yes, I have some).

PS - one of the characters in my novel was inspired by R A Heinlein, one of my favourite authors - I'll let you decide which one.

[Edited by Sunni – turned URLs into links]

I have to second Jorge up

I have to second Jorge up there. The Star Trek quote just fits.

How we deal with pain and loss shapes us far more than how we deal with happiness.

Can you imagine a Stephen Hawking without his drive? A Beethoven who didn't care that he was deaf? A Poe without his depression?

Think of the art, music, literature, and history that would lose meaning overnight.

Interesting observations

Interesting observations all, gents. I’d forgotten about that Star Trek quote! Pain and unhappiness are two very important sources of information that many humans already seem to be ignoring, to their own detriment as well as that of at least some of the relationships they’re part of. Sometimes I can’t help but wonder ... are our technological advances interfering with evolutionary changes? Seems to me that a number of these advances hinder our learning and thus our adaptibility, rather than aiding them.

I think that technological

I think that technological advances ARE evolutionary changes. Those that are on average helpful to survival will be propogated, and those that are on average harmful will be eventually be screened out when enough people fail to survive.

Sloppy phrasing

I phrased that exceedingly poorly. I agree with you in one sense, Kirsten; but what I was thinking of is physical evolution – changes to our body structure. I don’t even know if there’s any research on how genes and gene expression might be modified by technological advances.

The ability to forget

Cannabis is one drug that has been used to treat PTSD related symptoms. The ability to forget is an important feature of the human mind... Not like something is erased from the memory, but the trauma and it's associated response is diminished.

Endorphins ...

Very good point, W.D. I think I’ve read that endorphin releases, such as happens in marathon runs or other protracted exercise, is another means of blunting unpleasant signals. And I’m more sure that some process like that has been identified as happening postpartum, leaving most women happy with the outcome of nine months of pregnancy and labor and delivery, and willing to do it all again. Forgetting is definitely adaptive, but probably only for a rather narrow range of information; and as you point out, that’s a different critter from outright erasure.

This reminded me of a report

This reminded me of a report I heard on NPR, I think, a couple of years back. The story was about elderly Holocaust survivors who are now reliving the horrors they've already lived once now that they are suffering from Alzheimer's.

As with anything, there is potential for abuse. But I think there is also potential for very compassionate use as well- for example, relieving someone in his or her final years of reliving past horrors. Had I experienced something like that, I would like to know that I had the option available to me to plan how I would deal with it in my later years if it resurfaced.

Wow.

I’d never heard of that. How awful for everyone involved.