Understanding the opposition - how do we convince others?

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Today marks the start of my second year in Wyoming. It's also almost exactly 6 months since I started to open carry my revolver.

Both of those things have caused me to do a lot of thinking, reevaluate my motives, goals and a lifetime of beliefs and conclusions. A lot of them have changed and some have been completely replaced. It's been an incredible roller coaster ride, but I've enjoyed it more than almost anything I've ever done before.

In many ways, I'm a whole new person.


For the last 40 years or so, I've given a lot of thought to the questions around how this country got into the terrible shape it's in and how to do something meaningful about turning it back around. I tried becoming active in politics with the Libertarian Party, and then got into internet activism. I'm told that I've had some good effect with the latter, though I'm not able to judge that very well and probably am better off not to try. It's enough for me that some folks think I've helped the situation.

My efforts as an ambassador for open carry have put me face to face with all kinds of people and I've had to clarify my responses to even the friendly folks in order to convey the message they need to honestly understand before they will be really comfortable with armed citizens in their midst. Those who are unfriendly are going to be even harder to reach.

So it was very interesting to have several articles cross my cyberdesk here, each attempting to help us understand better how people think and how we might overcome our differences.

I first found an archived article by Sunni Maravillosa called, Why Women Should Care About the Right to Keep and Bear Arms:

To many individuals, the use of a firearm as a tool for self-defense seems like too much power. Just pointing a gun at another individual is a very intimidating gesture. (It is also assault with a deadly weapon in many places.) If Mr. Thug is wounded or killed, that's a pretty serious consequence. And, some would argue, that places his shooter in the position of being judge, jury, and executioner. Consider these questions, though. In what other situation can a person be more certain about what is about to happen to her, than when Mr. Thug is sneaking into her bedroom at 3 a.m.? Would he think twice about using his gun on you? If not, then your use of a gun for protection is simply responding to force with similar force. The moral responsibility for initiating the use of that force rests with Mr. Thug. If protecting yourself isn't sufficient reason to be armed, isn't protecting your loved ones? Spouses and children can't be replaced. Which would you rather do -- stop a potential crime from happening, or allow something to happen which can never be undone, and trust in the courts to convict Mr. Thug? Even if justice is served in this manner, you and yours will still have been victimized by someone else's aggression; nothing can change that. The scene of an attempted attack is not the place for niceties and manners; it's a place where, if you don't take firm steps to protect yourself, Something Very Bad will happen.


I have a very hard time accepting the idea that people can even think that being "nice" in the face of violent attack is an option... but I have to accept that some people think this way if I'm going to be able to calmly and compassionately answer their questions and have any hope of reducing their fears. If I don't accept the fact that these ideas exist, how can I speak to them?

Then I was sent a link for an incredible article by Sarah Thompson, M.D.. Raging Against Self Defense: A Psychiatrist Examines The Anti-Gun Mentality covers a wide range of ways people think, especially about self defense and guns. Sarah shows us in depth why many of our tactics don't reach them.

This week, I had the great privilege to publish something that appeared recently in American Handgunner, a print magazine I'd never heard of, but which many of those I know read avidly. The author, Timothy A Thorstenson kindly answered my email and gave me permission to use Are Gun People on a Different Wavelength? (And Why We Should Care) which gives a whole other aspect of the same theme: learning how our opposition thinks and why they think that way. Once we have some grasp of this, we can begin to be more effective in our communications with them.

So, armed with a great deal more than just my revolver, I will continue to carry, answer questions, hand out my cards, and communicate my love for life and liberty the best I can.

If you know of other articles, or even books that would help me in this quest, please leave a comment here with the information. I'll be ever grateful.

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"I have a very hard time accepting the idea that people can even think that being "nice" in the face of violent attack is an option"

Not to take away too much from the point I think you are trying to make - this sentence got my attention. I can speak personally of situations where "being nice" (yeah, it is subjective) has worked in the face of some violent situations. Much depends on how much time one has had in "taking in" the entire situation, where escape routes are, etc.

I think there is something to be said for thinking "holistically" about possible violent situations. Don't get me wrong - there are situations where I'd be willing to use lethal force.

On the other hand, if there appeared to be opportunity for me to do so, I might try some sort of "negotiation," not in the sense of giving something up - but sometimes, talking to a person can convince them to act differently than how we think they might act.

But I'll also admit that part of this comes from training.

And I'll agree that if the "face of violence" is so imminent, that there is no reasonable way to think about escape routes, attempts at escalation force beginning at passive levels are unreasonable as well - there are times when immediately use as much force as necessary - with the possibility of lethal are required, then - yeah - being "nice" seems kind of silly. In fact, I'd kind of wonder about a person who was being "nice" if they had to shoot someone - I mean, I'd be willing to do it - but it's not something I'd _want_ to do.

Sometimes, I get the impression from reading some that they are almost.... looking for opportunities to use lethal force, just to prove their point (and yes, I'm being general, and am NOT referring to you!).

It's kind of like Presto's comment on Sunni's post in regard to GW - "religious" thinking on both sides of the issue.

As far as further resources, you might be interested in this: Sean Gabb's speech advocating abolishing ALL gun law legislation.

Sean is speaking in England - and it's interesting to me how he argues that carrying guns by the public would make for a gentle, peaceful, and mannerly "society."

It's this type of argument that appeals to me when discussing this subject with others. In this, we agree on some similar goals. As much as I'd argue for my right to use lethal force if required to protect any of my property or my life, that is not the real goal. Prevention is the real goal! Willingness to use is not equivalent to wanting to use lethal force, and it seems to me that sometimes, some opponents of right to carry, right to own firearms, etc., need to have that idea reinforced in their minds.

Anyhow, give Sean a listen - I haven't listened to his speech in a couple of years, but have had it bookmarked because I think it is one of the best, and he does discuss a great deal in his speech. Let me know what you think of it!

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Thanks, I'll try to download

Thanks, I'll try to download that, but not sure I can listen to it. I have a SLOOOOOOW dial-up connection.

Sometimes I may fail to be certain my readers understand the most basic foundation of my words and actions:

No human being has the right -- under any circumstances -- to initiate force against another human being, nor to threaten or delegate its initiation. The Zero Aggression Principle

This would preclude the idea of "looking for an excuse" to use lethal force, I'd think. I am very disturbed when I listen to people who do seem to be "looking."

My fondest wish is never to NEED to use my gun in any situation outside a range or when hunting, but I have to balance that with the determination and guts to be WILLING - and yes, TRAINED - to use that kind of deadly force against another human being if necessary. I don't expect it to be easy, but I damn well intend for it to happen if it must.

I do not see retreat as a viable option in a life threatening attack. If one had plenty of time to evaluate the situation, and lots of room to maneuver, that might work... but the reality of a violent encounter is not likely to give us that luxury. We might try other things in a non-violent confrontation, of course, but we'd have to make up our mind FAST.

Someone who violently attacks another person must bear the responsibility for the response they get. Once faced with probable death or serious injury, we have really two choices: surrender, or resist as hard and fast - yes, VIOLENTLY - as we are able. We simply won't have any time to weigh the ins and outs of various shades of gray. A split second of delay could mean the difference between life and death. And such imminent threat is the only legitimate place for defense with deadly force, of course.

I spent more than 20 years as a nurse, first in ER triage, then visiting house to house in some of the worst metro areas of Southern California. I was never "allowed" to carry any means of self defense, and didn't even have a cell phone for most of it.

I was vulnerable every day, everywhere I went. I learned to watch my surroundings, to evaluate people all around me for threat level, and took evasive action according to that potential threat. It was nerve wracking and gut wrenching many times. A lot of people who really needed to be seen had to be abandoned because the threat was just too great.

And sometimes I took my life in my hands to go in anyway... a few times where paramedics and ambulance crews had refused to go... We do what we have to do.

I was never attacked directly, and never suffered even damage to my car. A lot of the otherwise vicious criminals of the inner city will cut some slack for a nurse, it seems. But I wouldn't want to walk those streets at dusk as an ordinary woman... armed or otherwise!!

Thank God for Wyoming! I'm not sure that respectful armed society can exist in the big city, though anything would be an improvement on what we have now. But here in Wyoming it already works that way. It's only the city transplants who get excited when they see a lady with a gun on her belt.

Thanks for your comments. :) ML

Right to Freedom

Hi ML,

We've not chatted directly before on this site, I believe, but from your comments I thought that you might enjoy some of Robert Heinlein's writing on individual freedom and liberty. I hope you don't mind this comment, but as I read your response, I immediately thought of Heinlein and his ideas on individual freedom. I agree with your zero aggression principle.

(incidently,many years ago I worked as a close protection agent - i.e., body guard - for a federal agency. And in that scenario, there was no luxury for deep and considered thought regarding the use of a weapon. It was based on a very quick appraisal of the circumstances. Fortunately, I never had to use my firearm, and am glad of that. The first Q people used to ask me in those days was often, "how many people have you shot" and other disgusting facile variations on that, implying a rather unhealthy interest on their part. But I was quite prepared to use a firearm or anything else as might be required to protect me first, and the principle - i.e. the person protected - second. In my mind, if someone put themselves in a situation whjere it was obvious that they intended to violate my basic right to life, then in my mind they had already forfeited theirs...)

As for where our society is going and why, there are some dysopias available that discuss those things from different perspectives (although the loss of freedom is ineviatably central).

Heinlein? :)

Thanks, Shaun!

And just where do you suppose I got a lot of my ideas and attitudes? LOL I've read everything Heinlein ever wrote, and memorized a lot of that...

Indeed, he says it all pretty well, and yet he seemed to have a lot more tolerance for government and bureaucrats than I do. Maybe he was simply more willing (and in those days, able) to ignore them.

The idea that someone who carries a gun is just itching to shoot/kill is a part of why I carry openly... When people see this old lady and really think about it, they begin to understand that I am no threat to anyone.

But make no mistake about it. I am both willing and able (well trained) to shoot to kill if ever forced to do so. I am at peace with it.

No human being has the right -- under any circumstances -- to initiate force against another human being, nor to threaten or delegate its initiation. The Zero Aggression Principle