In Lieu of a Full Response

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I’ve been thinking about Joey’s response in our ongoing conversation about getting free and personal freedom, but have been too busy and/or distracted to write a proper response. As a placeholder—and foreshadowing—I will quote from The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress. The context is Prof. Bernardo de la Paz speaking to Wyoming Knott [emphasis in original]:

“... I will accept any rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.”

Any товарищи got a problem with that? ;-)

Works for me!

... although I don't know what a товарищи is. 8-D

Whipping out my handy-dandy translaterator ...

товарищ is pronounced “toe VAR ee shch”; товарищи is the plural, with another long E sound at the end. It means “comrade”—a word with unfortunate, lingering negative connotations.

Try again

I'll try again - the comment I posted yesterday has vanished!

"I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do."

I love it - a perfect & succinct answer to the question.

Freedom V the state/church

In Austramerika at present, with the catholic pope soon paying a regal visit
to Sydney (which will be in a state of virtual shutdown, with some residents
not even able to use their own cars to travel from their homes...), we will
be charged and fined up to $5500 if we protest or do something offensive
against this foolishness, like wearing a T-shirt that the final arbiters
(i.e., the state/church) consider offensive...of course, that could be just
about anything.

Geez ...

“Austramerika”, indeed. Hope you made it through all the showboating okay ...

Nice Quote

I like the quote, even though I have not read the book, so I don't understand the context. I look forward to more posts from you on this topic.

Not really necessary

Joey, no context is necessary. What else is there to say in response to anyone who attempts to coercively rule another? Or, to vainly quote myself:

The phrase “command and control” is not usually thought of as a short list of steps, but perhaps it ought to be. Anyone and anything, whether parent, advisor, state-based government, self-help guru, or system that tries to command certain behavior, ideas, or attitudes is attempting to control. It is our responsibility to ourselves as free individuals to resist nonthinking compliance, to critically examine the system and its claims, and decide for ourselves if it might work or not.


Sunni, I'm going to start quoting you too :-)

The city shutdown and religious fiasco will descend upon Sydney in another week or so...

With the new draconian laws now in place, some intending protesters (i.e., people who were sexually abused by clergyman in their youth, to name but one category) are actually asking police if their simple "Apologise" T-Shirts are offensive etc. The police usually say "we don't know" and instead call for a member of the organising committee behind the fiasco to make a judgement...what a world - the lunatics are indeed running the asylum. Sounds like the rise of religious fanatacism outlined in Heinlein's 'Future History' Timeline (and the dates fit in too -early 21st C)

Other intending protestors are not aking for permission - and aim to distribute (for eg) thousands of condoms to 'pilgrims' during their stay in Sydney. Others will be wearing atheist T-shirts, and so on. These sorts of protestors have been labelled "biggots" and "prejudiced" by some pilgrims...this is the problem when cult members are given one distorted view of history (also known as a fairy tale). I wonder if an "Apologise to Galileo" or "Galileo for sainthood" T-shirt would be offensive? (merely retracting his sentence in 1992 - long after he had died! - is hardly an apology).

Soon I’ll be rich and –

Oops, guess I won’t. Heh. Thanks, Shaun; you are of course welcome to do whatever you want with that idea.

You have my sympathy and empathy for the absurdities already befalling you, and those still to come. I do like your Galileo-themed ideas, however; I remember well that 1992 announcement; utterly ridiculous, it was.

And now I think I’ll move along before I start to sound even more like Yoda. ;-)