One Food System to Cure Us All? I Don’t Think So.

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You can blame or credit NonEntity for this ramble, as you will ... his post’s links triggered S.E.S.S. flashbacks, which Lila recently revived.

Perhaps it is not my place to challenge Dr. McDougall, a “physician and nutrition expert”; it may be unfair to critique his approach based only on the first chapter of his book. I obviously don’t think so: he has posted that chapter ostensibly inviting critical feedback, and certainly to help market the book; and anyone with a basic science background and the willingness to invest a little critical thinking while reading it could find problematic assertions. I’ll quote bits from the chapter, then offer my observations.

Most disturbing is that nearly everyone believes starches are fattening and nutritionally inferior foods. Fortunately, common knowledge is completely wrong and the proof is right before your own eyes.

The most important evidence supporting my claim that the natural human diet is based on starches is a simple observation that you can easily validate for yourself: All large populations of trim, healthy people, throughout verifiable human history, have obtained the bulk of their calories from starch. Examples of once thriving people include Japanese, Chinese, and other Asians eating sweet potatoes, buckwheat, and/or rice, Incas in South America eating potatoes, Mayans and Aztecs in Central America eating corn, and Egyptians in the Middle East eating wheat. There have been only a few small isolated populations of primitive people, such as the Arctic Eskimos, living at the extremes of the environment, who have eaten otherwise. Therefore, scientific documentation of what people have eaten over the past thirteen thousand years convincingly supports my claim. [all emphasis mine]

Is being trim necessarily healthy? It doesn’t seem so to me ... but part of the difficulty is defining trim. For some, trim means something akin to anorexia in my eyes; others may think in terms of good muscle definition, irrespective of fat stores. By placing the adjective there, I can’t help but wonder if McDougall is trying to smuggle some implicit ideas into his plan. Similarly, the loaded adjectives and adverbs prefacing the counterexample strongly encourage one to disregard it. True, it may well be an outlier, but it is nonetheless proof that for at least some individuals, his starch-heavy diet is not the path to better health.

Based on our anatomy and physiology experts have long concluded that primates, including humans, are designed to eat a diet consisting mostly of plant foods. The natural diet of chimpanzees, our closest relative, is nearly pure vegetarian in composition; made up largely of fruits; and in the dry seasons when fruit is scarce, they eat tree seeds, flowers, soft pith, and bark; with termites and small mammals making an insignificant contribution to their nutrition all year long.

“Plant foods” is not the same thing as starches. Lettuces, broccoli, and many other plant foods do not contain starch.

And what exactly does “insignificant” mean? My guess is that he means those protein sources are a relatively small portion of their diet, proportionally speaking. That does not mean, however, that they are unimportant! An organism may need only small amounts of some substance or food group to maintain itself: but it remains vital to living; and more of it might be optimal. Protein and fat are both vital to our health.

Recently, scientists have proven through genetic testing that we are designed to thrive best on one category of plant food known as starch. Human and chimp DNA is roughly 99% identical, but that 1% difference, which includes genes to digest much more starch, proved crucial for the evolution of humanity’s earliest ancestors. Examination of the number of copies of the gene for the synthesis of the starch-digesting enzyme, amylase, has found an average of 6 copies in humans, compared to only 2 copies of this gene in other primates. This genetic difference results in the production of 6 to 8 times higher levels of starch-digesting enzymes in human saliva.

More ≠ better. Couldn’t this finding simply mean that we have more variety in the way our bodies can break starches down?

People should be thought of as “starch-eaters;” just like cats are “meat-eaters.” Until recently, except for a small number of wealthy aristocrats, members of the human species have obtained the bulk of their calories from starch. After the mid 1800s with the creation of colossal wealth during the industrial revolution and the harnessing of fossil fuels, millions, and then billions, of people were able to eat from a table piled high with meat, fowl, and dairy, once available only to royalty. Look around you—the consequences are obvious—everyday people appear rotund like the kings and queens pictured in old paintings. Look a little further and you will discover the Starch Solution.

Look a little more critically and you will realize that many other things changed, along with diet. Royalty not only had a wider variety of foods and more of them, they probably also tended to be less active, as they didn’t need to work hard to support themselves.

The Industrial Revolution changed the way many people work; even those who worked in factories possibly expended fewer calories doing so than they did working a farm or ranch—and that trend has accelerated as machines have increasingly taken over the manual labor elements of production. Even leisure pursuits changed—instead of pursuing sports or even playing a musical instrument and singing, people started sitting and listening to the radio, and later, watching television. In recent years, that trend toward lower energy expenditures has been coupled not with decreasing caloric intake, but increasing intake. Also, the trend toward manufactured and processed foods has shifted our nutritional profile.

[T]he human body efficiently regulates carbohydrates from starches, burning them off, rather than storing them, when consumed in excess. How effective is our body’s regulation? Obesity has been unknown among billions of Asians with a wide variety of activity levels who have followed traditional diets based on rice. However, these people’s immunity immediately disappears when they switch to meals based on meat and dairy foods, because the human body unsuccessfully balances for excess fat consumption—storing these calories in the abdomen, buttocks, and thighs. The fat you eat is the fat you wear. [emphasis mine]

How does that “wide variety of activity levels” compare with an average American’s activity levels? How do the diets compare? Does their immunity really immediately, completely disappear? I’d bet the Asians are mostly eating whole grain, unprocessed starches—a far cry from Doritos, Krispy Kremes, and the like. Such details are vitally important, but McDougall’s words completely glosses them over.

And his last sentence there is pure fear-mongering. That may be true of excess fat, especially if one has a largely sedentary lifestyle, but fats are vitally important for proper nervous system development and maintenance—and that includes the brain. Starve the body of fat and one is starving his brain of its basic building blocks. And again, the type of fat matters: many processed oils take unnatural forms that may be problematic for our bodies to digest and use.

Starches are very low in fat (1% to 8% of their calories), contain no cholesterol, do not grow human pathogens, like salmonella, E. Coli, and “mad cow” prions, and do not store poisonous chemicals, like DDT and methyl mercury. Outside surface contamination, for example, from cow dung and pesticide sprays, may occur, but that is not a fault with the plants. Starch is clean fuel.

More fear-mongering. Raw milk is more healthful than pasteurized, for most healthy people (even lactose-intolerant people may be able to digest it, since it contains lactase; I understand lactase is destroyed by the heat of pasteurization). It is largely the processing and prettifying of foods that create these troubles, not the cows or pigs or plants themselves. Agribusiness mostly focuses on volume and appearance, rather than wholesomeness and naturalness.

I could continue in this vein, but that’s probably more than enough. McDougall does take on agribusiness and other industry influences, but only after subtly biasing the reader toward his system. And more importantly, his genetic evidence seems stuck in time: since mankind evolved, then slowly spread across the planet, our genes have continued to change. The issue of lactose intolerance is one area that demonstrates this: studies suggest lactose intolerance may be linked to ancestral environment. Those lines may have been somewhat clear up to just a few hundred years ago, when global travel started to become more feasible than previously; but today genetic mixing is much more likely, especially in the United States. Will a Scandinavian-Egyptian-Russian-Irish-American be able to digest dairy or not? I don’t know that current science can successfully and relatively inexpensively predict the answer to such a question.

It seems to me that Dr. McDougall’s efforts primarily lie in selling another book, along with more of his packaged foods and stays at his health and medical center. I have no problem with the man wanting to earn a living; but I do have serious problems with attempting to skew science and scaring people into buying stuff.

My research on fasting showed that a normally-functioning human body has multiple ways of handling food. A modest exploration of “expert” opinions reveals numerous divergent recommendations and prohibitions. Rather than allow yourself to buy any system hook, line, and sinker, exercise common sense and skepticism in evaluating it. If you still want to try one, approach it rationally and with a wary eye on your wallet: any system that requires one to buy the guru’s products should be immediately suspect. Rather, try it on your own terms, with items that you would normally buy or grow, or with minimal changes (e.g., raw oats or nuts for processed ones).

Humans have survived millennia by enjoying a wide variety of foods, mostly in moderation and while getting sufficient exercise to benefit their bodies as well. Any system that promotes one type of food and the near-exclusion of another, requires bizarre artificial distinctions or separations that aren’t natural (such as the Zone diet’s phobia of a certain acid found in egg yolks [update: it is arachidonic acid], as well as other foods), or requires constant, careful measuring and monitoring is likely to be more trouble than it’s worth. Minimize the packaged and processed stuff, and then relax and enjoy your meals. The decrease in stress alone will be worth it.

Starchy thoughts...

Hi Sunni -

Thanks for breaking that down...very helpful.
Just wanted to post my response on my blog, along the same lines, but not as detailed..

"Yes, I agree. There’s no one-size-fits-all.

Also, McDougall is wrong about starch not creating obesity….
Rice is healthy, but if you eat a ton of it with ghee (rarefied butter) and don’t exercise, you’ll get as rotund as anyone else.

Personally, I think unless you stay on top of your nutritional requirements with near-expert knowledge of supplements and vitamins, you probably need to add some fish, eggs, nuts, oils, and milk to your diet in addition to the complex carbs. Meat may not be as necessary.
Plus, body structure is different. Most Indians have smaller muscle mass and an ectomorphic build. Some one with an African or European ancestry would need a different diet to suit their differing builds...then there’s also blood type...and cultural history...and genetics...and climate (you eat and drink differently with the temperature).

Also, what’s adequate for survival is not the same as what’s needed optimally.

Well then, if THAT doesn't work, how about...

I enjoyed your rant, Sunni. I'm not sure what I think about McDougall, but you made some excellent criticisms. I will suggest that it appears you've based all of this upon the introductory chapter, and so I'm not sure that is fair. There may be more supportive material in greater context elsewhere.

But that is not what I wanted to write about. Weston A. Price was an interesting guy. He was Cleveland dentist. He retired and then he and his wife set about to study nutrition as it pertains to the human animal. They did this, totally on their own and at their own expense, by traversing the world seeking out isolated primitive societies whose diet was almost certainly uncorrupted by the (then) modern methods of food preparation and storage. Not only this, but they set out with the idea of finding people who were thriving and to see if they could find that which created those optimal conditions of diet which supported this thriving. They did high quality and very well documented research, including gathering samples of the food stuffs from these various primitive cultures and taking it back to his lab in Cleveland for analysis.

Interestingly he found that different groups lived on very different diets and yet there were a few things which seemed to be crucial to optimal health that were shared by all or most. I've not read his book, but I've read parts of it and heard talks based upon it and read some research materials based upon it. The science appears to me to be excellent, and the conclusions derived seem logical.

His book is here.

As I said elsewhere, my health while following McDougall's diet was probably the best it has ever been, but over time (years) I developed some problems which would not go away. I had been aware of Price's ideas for a long time and finally gave them more serious examination and modified my diet as a result. My health issues quickly resolved themselves. Anecdotal information for sure, but as I said, the quality of the research and the logic behind the conclusions was persuasive to me. You may care to give it a look.

I do believe that there is a certain religious quality to McDougall's view of his nutritional ideas, and I don't trust anyone who is unwilling to fully examine all aspects of their thinking.

I imagine that there may be a great deal of truth to much of McDougall's ideas, but I think he suffers from a mono-culture of focus.

- NonE

Rant?

I enjoyed your rant, Sunni.

Huh. Doesn’t strike me as a rant ... rather a dissection.

I'm not sure what I think about McDougall, but you made some excellent criticisms.

I don’t know anything about him nor his system other than what I gleaned from reading that chapter and haphazardly skimming his web site, so I think I don’t have enough information to form an opinion.

I will suggest that it appears you've based all of this upon the introductory chapter, and so I'm not sure that is fair. There may be more supportive material in greater context elsewhere.

I said as much in my second paragraph, yes? And if he has more supportive material elsewhere, it still strikes me as disengenuous at least to frame the book as he has in this first chapter. A hyperbole-free, more balanced introduction to his claims would have helped me be more open to them, even though, like you, it strikes me as overly simplistic thinking.

I am passingly familiar with Weston Price, and some related sites. And where I once was dismissive, my own recent experiences have me re-evaluating that perspective. I will also say that “experts” who offer data and ideas sans their own nostrums have an advantage with me, too.

Healthy is as healthy does

Michael Pollan is now asking for food rules to determine where we're coming from, gastronomically and culturally speaking.

An interesting question, when many of the cultural diets are so much healthier than ours - _no matter which culture it is_. As nonE points out, Weston Price (and others) found that many different cultures ate totally different foods even while the eaters remained healthy (and healthier than we are) over generations.

From the introductory chapter given, McDougall seems to imply all 'starches', 'vegetables', and 'grains' are essentially the same, and we only need what they have to offer.

Firstly, there are many more vegetables in existence than just grains, and many that are good for us are NOT starchy.

Secondly, many modern-day food allergies that occur from plant life are from grains or the grasses from which grains are a part. This diet would not help those people at all.

(Though it may also be true that the process of genetically engineering a plant may cause the allergy. Even whole grains today may be genetically engineered, or manipulated by the manufacturer, so we don't always know what we're getting unless we pay strict attention.)

Dr. Boyd Eaton of Emory University (see here a rather longish pdf paper) has studied the "Stone Age Diet", saying that our nutritional ancestors ate approximately "65% fruits, vegetables, nuts, legumes, honey; and 35% lean game, eggs, wild fowl, fish, shellfish." If that is true, you can see how much protein our bodies took in which had to be converted or altered rather quickly over the past 10,000 years (more or less) since grains became a regular part of our diet. Nuts and legumes in the 65% are additional "protein" sources as well, while nuts, plus eggs, fish and shellfish in the 35% are also good "fat" sources.

Not every single ancestor was able to tolerate those changes to grains, I'm sure, over the past 10,000 years. And as individuals from different DNA mixed through the ages, god knows who of us today can tolerate any particular foods!

(BTW, Dr. Eaton has "interpreted" the Stone Age diet into an excellent salad meal with the following)

STONE AGE SALAD (Boyd Eaton, MD, Emory U; 4 servings):
5 cups mixed dark, leafy greens
1 1/2 cups garbanzo beans
1/2 cup red onion, chopped or rings
1 cup cooked chicken breast, cubed
1 cup chopped cauliflower
1/2 cup walnut pieces
3 Tbs chopped fresh herbs, such as parsley, basil, cilantro, or mixed [I add radish or broccoli sprouts to the salad, and sometimes a few chunks of sharp cheddar cheese, which of course changes the nutritional values as listed below.]

Dressing:
6 Tbs. orange juice
2 tsps. balsamic vinegar
2 Tbs. olive or canola oil
2 crushed garlic cloves
S/P to taste
In large bowl, combine salad ingredients; in small bowl, whisk dressing. Toss together.
NOTE: A complete meal: 331 calories, 19.5 g protein, 22 g carbohydrates, 19.3 g fat (1.8 g sat.), 6 g fiber, 182 mg sodium, 748 mg potassium)

Yum!

Thank you for your observations, Pagan, as well as that recipe. It sounds delicious.

Neanderthin

I actually purchased a book a year or so ago called "Neanderthin", which was essentially a diet book. I felt compelled to buy it out of strict curiosity, yet I have yet to ever open it (I feel shame). Incidentally, I'm also too lazy to look it up and link to it (more shame).

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"Neanderthin"

I haven't heard of this book, but it does look interesting.

However the reviews at amazon.com seem to indicate a low-carb diet. If it's too low-carb, I tend to have trouble with low blood sugar. On the opposite end of the spectrum, too much starch/carbs in the form of wheat, rice and barley make me gain weight. Oats is (are?) the only grain I can eat that doesn't seem to affect my body negatively in some way.

All of which is why I'm unable to follow any specific diets, but have to adjust them to MY OWN "food system." Just what others have been saying here.

Maybe I can find "Neanderthin" in the library somewhere, to read out of curiosity. Thanks for the reference.

The Eat Right 4 Your Type diet

Your post reminds me of the "Eat Right 4 Your Type Diet" which was a big fad a while back. I thought it was too simplistic and illogical at the time although many of my friends swore by it. I've since read several thoughtful pieces which have "debunked" it in the years since, and I imagine they are correct. However, Dr. Mercola speaks of body types and different nutrition based upon the differing types. I don't know if his version of this is different than the original one, and based upon more sound science, or if he's just following along on the first guy's bandwagon. So much to know.

As one of my favorite bumper stickers goes: So many pedestrians, so little time!

- NonE

What is this "health" we keep talking about?

We keep talking about this health thing, which a diet is supposed to enable us to achieve, but what is health? Is it some metric of body fat, or cholesterol numbers, or weight, or body mass index? Is it composed of a plethora of these various metrics combined in such a way to maximize the lengths of our lives? Is it what makes us happy emotionally, which is tied more closely to physical aspects than I had thought previously?

I am getting to the point of loathing the idea of health metrics, especially those passed down from above meant to apply to the entire population. Is loathing healthy? I catch much grief over cholesterol numbers, yet these same numbers run through my immediate family irrespective of diet and exercise habits. Sure there is "heart diesease" in my family, but there is also much longevity. What metrics work for one person, may not work for another. Based on my body build, I would have to be under-nourished to fall into the dictated body mass index I think.

Just as diets affect different people in different ways, so the goalposts of health are also different for different people, I would think. Prolonging a less-than-happy life as long as possible - especially if the prolonging is the source for discontent - doesn't seem desirable. Some happy medium of enjoyment and longevity seems about right for me.

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The concept of "Authority"

P.o.S.,

You may find a thread over at Liberating Minds of interest. It is a discusssion/argument/brawl I'm having regarding the concept of "authority," a concept which I find to be pretty much totally worthless at best and pernicious more likely.

Go HERE

It appears your issue may not be so much about health as it is about authority.

- NonE

The most healthy diet...

... in the world is whatever keeps you alive and well over a long period of time. In cultures, it's whatever keeps the individual, the family and that society alive and well in that area.

But I'd say the "goalposts of health" are what the human body needs to keep all systems functioning without breakdown or disease. We need certain nutrients; without those nutrients, we get sick and/or die. So that does limit to some degree how much ANY culture, or individual in that culture, can deviate from certain principles and food practices in order to maintain its health. (And we don't know yet all the nutrients the human body needs, or in what proportion to each other).

Having said that, evolution does allow for some deviation, as evidenced by the different foods that Inuits, Aborigines, Polynesians, etc. have eaten *over many years.* But "long-term" is the key to *healthy* deviation. If, over time, the individuals can't adjust to the 'deviant' foods, or if there's not sufficient nutrients available in the foods - IOW, if it wasn't "healthy" for individuals and their families in that area - the entire culture would break down and eventually die out.

Health metrics and matrices

We keep talking about this health thing, which a diet is supposed to enable us to achieve, but what is health? Is it some metric of body fat, or cholesterol numbers, or weight, or body mass index? Is it composed of a plethora of these various metrics combined in such a way to maximize the lengths of our lives? Is it what makes us happy emotionally, which is tied more closely to physical aspects than I had thought previously?

I hadn’t really considered your first question before, Pint, but it is a worthy one. To my mind, “health” is soundness of body and mind. For me, paying attention to the metrics and shoulds and shouldn’ts of food nannies does not promote health—and it sounds like that is true for you as well. And defined in the way I gave, it should be clear that what constitutes health changes over a lifetime. If I ate now the way I did as a child—or when I was pregnant—I’d likely be the roundest Snake ever. Similarly, things that were important to my mental health then would likely drive me crazy now.

Despite all my ravings here, I am not as uptight about food as it may seem. Yes, I prefer making things from scratch myself, but there are limits to which I’ll take that. As I got no ripe tomatoes from my garden last year, I buy canned ones without hesitation (I even [gasp!] use ketchup on occasion, despite not being able to find a brand without HFCS); similarly, we rely on processed pastas (for now, anyway) and meats. To my mind, preparing and eating things should be as pleasurable as possible; and for me, obsession is not on the path to pleasure.

Beyond this, Pagan offers a lot of wisdom in her reply.

Subjective and complex

Health is not simply the absence of disease. Quality of life trumps length of life for most of us. Good health must also include wellness, a whole different thing than "health," though that is usually included.

I suspect that all or most of us here would agree that the physical body is only roughly 1/3 of the total person. The usual "health metrics" in western medicine and nutrition only recognize that physical body.

The chemical balances and requirements are the easiest to measure - though we may never really understand even that.

The other 2/3 are the mental/spiritual body and needs, along with the energy/life force entity inherent in each individual.

When we consider all of that together, seeking wellness would seem to be a far wiser course. And that requires a great deal more effort and thought than any diet.

I eat exactly whatever I want, when I want it. I won't live forever regardless of what I do or don't do. But I'm going to enjoy the time I have while I can. I think attitude and freedom have a lot more to do with that than which chemicals may or may not be in the food I eat.

But then, that's just my way of looking at it.

Attitude and Freedom

Regarding "health," Mama sed:

I think attitude and freedom have a lot more to do with that than which chemicals may or may not be in the food I eat.

So true, Mama. I'm wondering, with all of the people there are doing all of the studying that we do, has anyone tried to quantify this? I recall the studies years ago wherein baby primates were deprived of all contact with a mother or other live creature and proceeded to waste away and die. And of course there is the anecdotal info on how animals in zoos are depressed and listless compared to those in the "red, tooth and claw" wild. Freedom to me is SUCH a primal thing, and yet most of those I know do not seem to consider it important. My gut tells me that it ranks right up there with oxygen. But then, I'm weird.

- NonE

Not here, you ain’t!

I'm wondering, with all of the people there are doing all of the studying that we do, has anyone tried to quantify this?

I gave a talk once that focused on the lack of an individualistic focus in psychological research; as it turned out another psychologist (I may be misremembering his field, but all that matters is he had some knowledge on the subject) was in attendance and disagreed. But he offered very little to counter my observations, which were that most psychology focuses on the mythical “typical” or “average” person, whether healthy or not; and many do their work with an eye toward public policy, which is the antithesis of freedom to my mind. I still harbor fantasies of writing a pro-individual, pro-freedom introductory psychology textbook, but it is vanishingly unlikely as I no longer consider myself qualified to do the work ... and I don’t want to wade through the reams of bullshit I’d need to read in order to catch up.

I recall the studies years ago wherein baby primates were deprived of all contact with a mother or other live creature and proceeded to waste away and die.

You may be thinking of Harry Harlow, but I believe it was John Bowlby who pioneered that field. I’ve had this paper, The Origins of Attachment Theory [PDF] on my machine for some time, but have yet to read it through. And given all the tasks facing me through next week, anyone who downloads it today is still likely to get to it before I do!

Móran taing

Mama has said pret’ near exactly what I’d set out to communicate, before I got distracted and veered off my course.

I pay attention to what my body tells me it wants ... funny thing, after that one, relatively short fast, those signals changed rather dramatically. I no longer crave sugary or starchy things, and barely touch alcohol (and almost always regret it when I do, as it seems to instantly upset my sinuses). A big green salad with lemon juice, salt, and freshly-ground pepper is deeply appealing to me, as is plain yogurt sweetened with a touch of maple syrup or honey and fortified with nuts. While I can and do enjoy complicated dishes (such as my veggie lasagna), I’ve found I enjoy them more when they’re interspersed with simpler fare.

And every meal is best served with laughter and love.

Now...

...I'm hungry.

PoS

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